Curse

chaos dragoon · Oct 19, 2005, 02:24 AM // 02:24

sry if this has been posted already

fyi:you dont NEED fow armor.it isnt better than drok armor statistically.

Shinomori · Oct 19, 2005, 02:30 AM // 02:30

Only like 8 times.

Seriously, this has gone beyond beating a dead horse. It's like beating the rotting, maggot-infested, vulture-ridden corpse of a horse from days ago.

Banebow · Oct 19, 2005, 02:57 AM // 02:57

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Still you don't get it

COLLECTOR'S ARMOR!!!!!!!!

I AM ULTRA RICH!!!!!!!!
That make you believe it? I didn't think so, lots of big bold letters and exclamation points do not help you. Tell me why a non-farmer cannot be a collector, and I'll be happy to listen.

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What is your next 'Suggestion'; improve droprate... 10x more valuable item drops?

I have an idea were this came from, so I will pose three questions to all the folks who read this thread:

The suggested method of obsidian shards from a fissure of woe quest and ectoplasms from an underworld quest is a slower, less efficent method of earning the materials required for Fissure armor. It will also require approximatly 12500 (paying 125 each time) for an entree fee, assuming you complete the required quest every time in. You will have to be in a group that can successfully make it to the quest, as well as defeat it. It will take a longer time to gather the needed materials then the normal farming method. Average players will not succeed any more with this method than they would have with farming. The same applies to casual gamers.

Now the questions: How will this method cause the average gamer to suddenly gain fissure armor? How will this method hinder your farming? Why do you oppose a method besides farming to get the armor?

Maiyn · Oct 19, 2005, 05:02 AM // 05:02

Wow.. 75% of the game has 20k or less...?

Sister Rosette · Oct 19, 2005, 05:54 AM // 05:54

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Originally Posted by Melkor of ZoSo

And another thing, I see people in Ventari's Sell every day buying things for 500k, 900k, 1200k.... I assure you, these people did not make thier fortune within the past month. If someone were to pick this game up today, they'd be at a MUCH greater disadvantage than those people who first picked this game up.

It is, frankly, unfair that all of these multi-millionaires of the game had the opurtunity to make great money, and new players don't.

HOLY SHIT YOU MEAN LIFE ISN'T FAIR IN THE VIDEO GAME WORLD TOO??

Mumoto · Oct 19, 2005, 06:37 AM // 06:37

Damn this guy is as stupid as a donkey-ass.

DUDE that dumb ass bolding your line stating that you're rich won't make me believe you are, if you were you wouldn't be complaining here in the first place.

Stop saying dumb things you bumbling idiot, FoW is COLLECTORS-armor like I said normally a few times before but it seems your eyes refuse to read stuff like that or something, so that's why I made it bold.

Undivine · Oct 19, 2005, 07:22 AM // 07:22

I will admit, the economy is a little screwed up. But isn't that another issue entirely? I mean, who cares about the "bling-bling" armor. Let the people go after their bling-bling. The fact that some people have insane amounts of cash, in many cases unfairly, in other cases because they were devoted to doing boring crap, in other cases because they were lucky; while others (myself for instance) have never had more than 25K accross all 4 characters and storage at one time, is what's really screwy with this game. In fact I've yet to see an MMORPG with a well balanced economy. You'd think by now these gaming companies would actually start hiring real economists because programmers and designers may not be the best people to try such a thing.

I kick myself every time I see the price of the Rune of Sup Vigor nowadays, because my first character bought that thing off the merchant way back for about 5K. Why the hell didn't I stock up?! Oh, yeah... I couldn't afford to stock up at the time. I was poor. Still am actually.

But honestly, what does the economy have to do with bling-bling armor apart from impacting its prices just like it impacts the prices of everything else? You may see it as unattainable (actually I kind of agree with you there), but the armor itself is not the curse.

One and Two · Oct 19, 2005, 07:27 AM // 07:27

Ever game has a screwed up economy, and Guild Wars is actually doing better than most.

WoW is horrible, and FFXI is impossible.

Yet, I still stand next to the idea that Fissure Armor is not for everyone, and if anything, should be made more expensive, due to gold inflation.

Mumoto · Oct 19, 2005, 07:28 AM // 07:28

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Originally Posted by Undivine

I will admit, the economy is a little screwed up. But isn't that another issue entirely? I mean, who cares about the "bling-bling" armor. Let the people go after their bling-bling. The fact that some people have insane amounts of cash, in many cases unfairly, in other cases because they were devoted to doing boring crap, in other cases because they were lucky; while others (myself for instance) have never had more than 25K accross all 4 characters and storage at one time, is what's really screwy with this game. In fact I've yet to see an MMORPG with a well balanced economy. You'd think by now these gaming companies would actually start hiring real economists because programmers and designers may not be the best people to try such a thing.

I kick myself every time I see the price of the Rune of Sup Vigor nowadays, because my first character bought that thing off the merchant way back for about 5K. Why the hell didn't I stock up?! Oh, yeah... I couldn't afford to stock up at the time. I was poor. Still am actually.

But honestly, what does the economy have to do with bling-bling armor apart from impacting its prices just like it impacts the prices of everything else? You may see it as unattainable (actually I kind of agree with you there), but the armor itself is not the curse.

Leave him be, he's the kind that ends up cheating to get something like that FoW armor.

Just because that is one of the things that are unattainable for him he complains.

The economy might be fooked in some ways but I have no problems with it, droprates are fine as they are, people that are not able to work for it are worthless RPG'ers.

RPG requires work, if you're not willing to give that... then go find some brainless FPS game and shut up.

Undivine · Oct 19, 2005, 08:05 AM // 08:05

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Originally Posted by Mumoto

RPG requires work, if you're not willing to give that... then go find some brainless FPS game and shut up.

That's pretty hardcore of you to say. You make it sound like RPGs are supposed to be work. In fact, you actually said it. Traditionally they were a story-driven genre. Hence "Role Playing Game". So if I'm not willing to do brainless, redundant farming in RPGs... I should find a brainless game to play?

Undivine · Oct 19, 2005, 08:06 AM // 08:06

Probably the problem is just with MMORPGs in general. At some point you hit a ceiling where there's just nothing else to do. In other types of games you just play a different game or start the game again. In MMORPGs your character is still there. So you're technically "done" but not done. So that is a really good reason to have something like FoW armor and make it as expensive as possible.

But it can also be the problem why there are rich people in these games... they've nothing much else to do but pile up gold.

Mumoto · Oct 19, 2005, 10:59 AM // 10:59

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Originally Posted by Undivine

That's pretty hardcore of you to say. You make it sound like RPGs are supposed to be work. In fact, you actually said it. Traditionally they were a story-driven genre. Hence "Role Playing Game". So if I'm not willing to do brainless, redundant farming in RPGs... I should find a brainless game to play?

Are you saying you don't 'think' while playing RPG, if you do you're most likely uncapable to play a game like Guild Wars.

RPG requires you to think of tactics and adjusting your tactics with your available resources.

That guy just wants everything to go his way, cheap and easy way.

burai · Oct 19, 2005, 12:38 PM // 12:38

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Originally Posted by Eltargrim

Here's the thing; you don't NEED FoW armour. If it increased your stats, THEN you'd have a legitamite arguement. But it is quite unneccesary. Therefore, there is no need for the price decrease, as there is no loss in NOT having it.

/not-signed, even with the system there is I will never have FoW armour.

There's no NEED to play the game either, but we do. The fact is that FoW armour is there and it's there for a reason - for people to buy. So why not make it a little more obtainable for us mere mortals?

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Originally Posted by Mumoto

Stop saying dumb things you bumbling idiot, FoW is COLLECTORS-armor like I said normally a few times before but it seems your eyes refuse to read stuff like that or something, so that's why I made it bold.

Maybe it's the arrogant way you keep stating your opinon. You could try and be a little humble, or at least have an appreciation for other peoples opinion - even if you disagree with it.

There is far too much elitism in this game - and in the forums it seems.

saphir · Oct 19, 2005, 01:00 PM // 13:00

back in the day when i got my fow armor, there was no sorrow's furnace! that's so unfair. I actually had to work for my ecto and farm it with small groups. can you believe that?? this was when the 4 person smite runs were just little known secret among a few players.
i played thru the entire game and never came across a sup vigor much less a sup absorption. i scrimped and saved for my 15k for my first char.

and now players have sorrows furnace to farm for high priced greens! i just picked up malinon's shield and grognar's blade today, worth a total of around 150K. you know how much ecto i could buy with that? it's so unfair now that new players can just farm sorrow's in large groups and easily make the gold to buy the mats for their fissure armowhine whine whine whine whine whine whine. whine whine whine. whine whine whine. whine whine. whine.

red engine whined red engine whined whined red whined gored engine whin

shit happens. that's life. =)

Mumoto · Oct 19, 2005, 01:10 PM // 13:10

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Originally Posted by burai

There's no NEED to play the game either, but we do. The fact is that FoW armour is there and it's there for a reason - for people to buy. So why not make it a little more obtainable for us mere mortals?

Maybe it's the arrogant way you keep stating your opinon. You could try and be a little humble, or at least have an appreciation for other peoples opinion - even if you disagree with it.

There is far too much elitism in this game - and in the forums it seems.

humble? ... people like him will piss on humble.

Chev of Hardass · Oct 19, 2005, 01:47 PM // 13:47

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Originally Posted by huh

Is it fair that a player who buys Fissure armour today spends ~1.5mil and you buy your Fissure tomorrow and spend ~150k?

Well your argument is off. When FoW armor first got big, Ecto costed 3-3.5K each and shards were 1K. Now that the economy is truely ruined, (resetting of traders/ overfarming by bots that A.Net doesn't seem to try and stop/ making drops worse and worse/ ect.) prices of ecto have gone overboard.

No wonder why all those businesses spam their gold for sale on A.Nets servers in Tombs.

Pompeyfan · Oct 19, 2005, 02:06 PM // 14:06

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Originally Posted by Mumoto

Leave him be, he's the kind that ends up cheating to get something like that FoW armor.

Just because that is one of the things that are unattainable for him he complains.

The economy might be fooked in some ways but I have no problems with it, droprates are fine as they are, people that are not able to work for it are worthless RPG'ers.

RPG requires work, if you're not willing to give that... then go find some brainless FPS game and shut up.

Are you totally incapable of reading others posts? Yoiu say you should have to work for Fissure Armour - thats fair enough and what people want - play the game and do missions and quests and be rewarded for it with a chance to get fissure rather than essentially usaeless XP and Skill Points (one of my characters has over 1m XP and 50 useless skill points as there's no other skills I want/need and even if I did, it'd cost 50k to use them all).

So as it stands, those that follow your sugestion get sod all worth having, but those that copy a farming build off the net, get lucky with a rare drop or get their credit card out on ebay do get it - hardly working for it by playing the game is it?

I don't consider my self poor as I have over 500k in storage, and a few nice green/gold items that my characters use (like Rago's Flame Staff, Mallion's Shield etc) yet I'm not even close to being able to get Fissure armour (and yes it would improve my stats - I could have Druid's on my Ranger without looking like a complete twat which normal druids does). Incidently it's the farmers that have in the main caused this problem with their me, me, me attitude which lead to ANET nerfing the drops to their current pitiful state (6 ecto in over 50 hours in the UW is not a fair return, especially when drops are allocated so unevenly - in an 8 hour trip, 4 ecto's dropped and were all allocated to just one part member yah him).

OK then, if Ecto and Shards as quest rewards isnt popular, what about letting us buy ecto/shards with our skill points (in a similar way that pvp players can buy stuff with faction)? We have to work to get those and those that do quests/missions will get them faster than farmers so rewarding those that play the game - of course it won't stop the ebayer's but then fissure would still be expensive.

Kago Seirei · Oct 19, 2005, 02:25 PM // 14:25

Honestly, since I have a few Obsidian sets, I always get whispers such as "How did you get your armor?" "Whats an easy way to get FoW armor?" "Plz give me monies so I can get FoW". Now, I know there are rumors that I "E-bay" which isn't true. -.-' Well, like everyone else, I wasn't so interested in FoW, having no gold, being the "average" GW player. With a few tips on farming, going to UW, going to FoW, going to higher level places and just beating the crap outta the maps with groups. Honestly, there is no "easy" way, even before the nerf, it still took a lot of dedication. People say that I'm always in Grotto, so how do I make money? What people don't see is when I'm not there, they don't notice, but if I am there, I'm always there. xD Its funny. I won't be there for two days, and the moment I log on. "Omg Kago, you're always here." Anyway, to sum it up. FoW ftw? xD -Rambling and has no point in this.-

Mumoto · Oct 19, 2005, 02:46 PM // 14:46

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Originally Posted by Pompeyfan

Are you totally incapable of reading others posts? Yoiu say you should have to work for Fissure Armour - thats fair enough and what people want - play the game and do missions and quests and be rewarded for it with a chance to get fissure rather than essentially usaeless XP and Skill Points (one of my characters has over 1m XP and 50 useless skill points as there's no other skills I want/need and even if I did, it'd cost 50k to use them all).

So as it stands, those that follow your sugestion get sod all worth having, but those that copy a farming build off the net, get lucky with a rare drop or get their credit card out on ebay do get it - hardly working for it by playing the game is it?

I don't consider my self poor as I have over 500k in storage, and a few nice green/gold items that my characters use (like Rago's Flame Staff, Mallion's Shield etc) yet I'm not even close to being able to get Fissure armour (and yes it would improve my stats - I could have Druid's on my Ranger without looking like a complete twat which normal druids does). Incidently it's the farmers that have in the main caused this problem with their me, me, me attitude which lead to ANET nerfing the drops to their current pitiful state (6 ecto in over 50 hours in the UW is not a fair return, especially when drops are allocated so unevenly - in an 8 hour trip, 4 ecto's dropped and were all allocated to just one part member yah him).

OK then, if Ecto and Shards as quest rewards isnt popular, what about letting us buy ecto/shards with our skill points (in a similar way that pvp players can buy stuff with faction)? We have to work to get those and those that do quests/missions will get them faster than farmers so rewarding those that play the game - of course it won't stop the ebayer's but then fissure would still be expensive.

Copying over a build? wtf are you for dumb ass... I didn't do that you nazi.

Maybe you're INCAPABLE TO KNOW WHAT I DO WITH MY CHARACTER YOU BUMBLING IDIOT.

Anyways I retreat out of this stupid dumb-ass thread.

Yichi · Oct 19, 2005, 03:11 PM // 15:11

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Originally Posted by Pompeyfan

Are you totally incapable of reading others posts? Yoiu say you should have to work for Fissure Armour - thats fair enough and what people want - play the game and do missions and quests and be rewarded for it with a chance to get fissure rather than essentially usaeless XP and Skill Points (one of my characters has over 1m XP and 50 useless skill points as there's no other skills I want/need and even if I did, it'd cost 50k to use them all).

So as it stands, those that follow your sugestion get sod all worth having, but those that copy a farming build off the net, get lucky with a rare drop or get their credit card out on ebay do get it - hardly working for it by playing the game is it?

I don't consider my self poor as I have over 500k in storage, and a few nice green/gold items that my characters use (like Rago's Flame Staff, Mallion's Shield etc) yet I'm not even close to being able to get Fissure armour (and yes it would improve my stats - I could have Druid's on my Ranger without looking like a complete twat which normal druids does). Incidently it's the farmers that have in the main caused this problem with their me, me, me attitude which lead to ANET nerfing the drops to their current pitiful state (6 ecto in over 50 hours in the UW is not a fair return, especially when drops are allocated so unevenly - in an 8 hour trip, 4 ecto's dropped and were all allocated to just one part member yah him).

OK then, if Ecto and Shards as quest rewards isnt popular, what about letting us buy ecto/shards with our skill points (in a similar way that pvp players can buy stuff with faction)? We have to work to get those and those that do quests/missions will get them faster than farmers so rewarding those that play the game - of course it won't stop the ebayer's but then fissure would still be expensive.

Ok dude, some of your posts dont make sense and some have a good argument.

First paragraph: Your skill points and exp have nothing to do with you getting fissure armor. What the hell does having 50 unused skill points have to do with the price of materials or the challenge to get to the armorer? Ok so you want to assign it as a quest and you can get it that way, what other armor/item in the game can u get that way? Can i get a req8, 15 over 50, 10/10 furious, +30 health Chaos axe too? if soo then i wont need to do all the quests for fissure as i can sell that and get it on my own.

Second paragraph: Yes getting out your credit card on ebay is one way of getting fissure and im sure that many people have done that. BUT for those that have invested the time in other chars (my monk WITH fissure is a pure healer) to get the materials and not to mention the time on that char. Not just anyone can pick up a new char and go farm UW/Griffons/Tengu/Grawl/SF. So if i invest my time in building a char to be able to farm and get the items/money to trade/buy for the stuff i need then why should i not be rewarded for my time?

Third Paragraph: Drop rates are just that ..... RANDOM. Thats why they are called rare drops. Numbers have proven that you have a better chance for drops if you can do it alone. THAT was the reason for all the farmers. Its people bitching that someone had something they wanted but couldnt get that got almost EVERY good farming area and EVERY good farming build nerfed to hell. Think, without farmers and you had to rely SOLEY on traders for materials, at 12 ectos fissure would be WAY more expensive than buying the ecto off a farmer at 10k. And have u ever noticed that by buying something from the trader often enough that the price will rise? how do you think that the price got so out of control in the first place. when they were low, EVERYONE and their brother bought them, i did. then resold them for the marked up profit. thats economics.

Fourth paragraph: again WTF does skill points have to do with Shards or Ecto? I dont recall having a skill in my bar that lets me reproduce ectos......... Fissure armor is a gold sink. nothing else. 99% of all collectors weapons are better than the godliest 200k weapon thats out there. Fissure armor is allowing a reward to the players that do play through the game. LAST time i checked, you had to be at least ascended to get into FoW or UW. Meaning that you have to play the game to have access to these areas. Then you still have to have favor, meaning that its a reward to those on that server for PLAYING THE GAME.

/catch breath